This is the agenda and summary for the weekly Zope developer meeting of Tuesday, 2010-08-31 on #zope@irc.freenode.org from 15:00 to 15:30 UTC.


The IRC log is available here:


Charlie Clark, Adam Groszer, Patrick Gerken


  • Supporting Python 2.7

    • Needs help from the buildbots

      Patrick reported that ZODB + Windows is still struggling with Python 2.7. Windows support remains problem for Zope with apparently few core developers using it.

      It was agreed that full support for Python 2.7 is still some way away, probably ZTK 1.1 but this is a matter for the ZTK team.

  • Abandoned projects (Tres)

    Charlie suggested that to avoid overly subjective project dropping, criteria for being included need defining “I don’t use XYZ so I don’t care about it”. Such criteria might be the quality and scope of test coverage and technical documentation, an area where Zope traditionally compares unfavourably with other frameworks.

    It was agreed that no projects should be dumped unceremoniously and that a period of grace should be given to allow consumers of projects that have no maintainer to raise their concerns.

    Improvements in the presentation of test results should hopefully make it easier to identify potentiatlly “weak” projects and maybe even inspire developers to improve their tests. Any inclusion criteria should be fairly strictly applied for new projects in the hope of establishing a virtuous spiral. This topic should be continued at the Zope summit in Halle on 13th September.

  • Windows

    • Compiler licenses

      Everyone has now received the MS Visual Studio compiler licences.

Ongoing issues

Those issues are currently ongoing. We don’t have to discuss them. We just need to follow up on them eventually.

  • Meta
    • Review meeting itself, maybe add extra 15 minutes for “meta” once a month or every two months? (postponed until 2010-06-01)
    • How to organize open issues in the long run (Blueprints? Other tool? Continue text files?)
  • Test runners / nightly builds
    • Supporting Python 2.7
      • Needs help from the buildbots
    • Windows
      • Compiler licenses (Tres, postponed until after 2010-06-14)
    • Build bot organization
  • Bug day organization
  • Documentation
    • Consolidate “floating” documentation into Sphinx/docs.zope.org
    • Turn ZTK package documentation into sphinx style (like zope.event)
      • write bug and assign to toolkit projects (Theuni)
    • Unified index?
  • Releases
    • How to find a good point when to cut a new release for a package for which fixed bugs where registered (or changes have been made)? Any automation possible to alert us when changes have been sitting around unreleased for a while?

Topic proposals

  • Chris McDonough: Pondering some (re-)structuring of the ZTK to allow for better maintenance/release management/communication/marketing.
  • Christian Theune: I’d like us to ponder how we can (in addition to the housekeeping and cleanups we do) also move to do constructive work together to expand the stuff that Zope packages (ZTK) is about. How do we go about implementing new technologies together, like supporting HTML 5 in the various parts? I’d like to start putting in new code in the foreseeable future in the zope.* namespace.