2010-07-20

This is the agenda and summary for the weekly Zope developer meeting of Tuesday, 2010-07-20 on #zope@irc.freenode.org from 15:00 to 15:30 UTC.

Summary

The IRC log is available here:

http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs-zope/%23zope.2010-07-20.log.html#t2010-07-20T17:58:02

Attendees

Jens Vagelpohl, Adam Groszer, Christian Theune, Leo Rochael

Bugday review and planning

Jens Vagelpohl worked on fixing Zope 2 bugs (fixed 5 and worked on 4 others) and Tres Seaver tried fixing an issue with zope.testing under Python 2.7.

The last bug day has been relatively silent because only few participants signed up some of them didn’t make it. It appears that both holiday season and scheduling issues kept people from joining.

Jens noted that the wiki page is cumbersome to deal with due to the ReST table layout. Christian agreed to adapt to a regular list for the next wiki page.

Christian will doodle the next bug day for the week of August 16-20.

Languishing bug review

Unfortunately this part of the agenda didn’t work out as expected. I tried to take some time so that everyone present would review some bugs, not talking about reviewing bugs. I miscommunicated here and talked about some things while I reviewed bugs thinking everyone did the same …

Jens reported that Hanno has been and is triaging the Zope 2 bugs and he is working on the things that can be fixed, too.

We also noted that the term “languish” is not understood the same: the current meaning in the way the test scripts use it is “new bugs that nobody triaged”. The goal for avoiding languishing bugs is to give feedback to bug reporters in a timely manner. That doesn’t necessarily mean we fix them right away but we can respond whether it is indeed a bug, or misunderstanding or a feature request. This should give our users a better feeling on how we are going to deal with an issue in the long run.

I asked for a reminder of whether we agreed to put minimum version dependency requirements into setup.py or not. Nobody could remember and we couldn’t produce reference material on a decision but we think that minimum requirements were agreed upon to be ok.

Agenda

Ongoing issues

Those issues are currently ongoing. We don’t have to discuss them. We just need to follow up on them eventually.

  • Abandoned projects (Tres)

  • Expectations for the upcoming Zope summit?

  • Meta

    • Review meeting itself, maybe add extra 15 minutes for “meta” once a month or every two months? (postponed until 2010-06-01)

    • How to organize open issues in the long run (Blueprints? Other tool? Continue text files?)

  • ZTK status
    • Towards a ZTK release

      • Documentation

      • Release scope

  • Test runners / nightly builds
    • Windows

      • Compiler licenses (Tres, postponed until after 2010-06-14)

      • Win egg builder (Adam)

      • Documentation about VM setup (Adam)

    • Supporting Python 2.7

      • Needs help from the buildbots

  • Documentation
    • Consolidate “floating” documentation into Sphinx/docs.zope.org

      • write blueprint for the consolidation effort (Theuni)

      • Find candidate links and gather them centrally

      • Edit/update the documentation from the link list and land in Sphinx-style during a sprint

    • Turn ZTK package documentation into sphinx style (like zope.event)

      • write bug and assign to toolkit projects (Theuni)

    • Provide package documentation under docs.zope.org/<packagename> and keep updated based on the projects’ trunks. (Jens)

  • Releases

    • How to find a good point when to cut a new release for a package for which fixed bugs where registered (or changes have been made)? Any automation possible to alert us when changes have been sitting around unreleased for a while?

Topic proposals

  • Chris McDonough: Pondering some (re-)structuring of the ZTK to allow for better maintenance/release management/communication/marketing.

  • Christian Theune: I’d like us to ponder how we can (in addition to the housekeeping and cleanups we do) also move to do constructive work together to expand the stuff that Zope packages (ZTK) is about. How do we go about implementing new technologies together, like supporting HTML 5 in the various parts? I’d like to start putting in new code in the foreseeable future in the zope.* namespace.